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00:01:40,200 power of empires and tyrants to distort 30 00:01:43,460 --> 00:01:41,909 and dismiss the history of anything that 31 00:01:46,580 --> 00:01:43,470 came before them or that they don't 32 00:01:48,230 --> 00:01:46,590 fully control and few campaigns were 33 00:01:49,910 --> 00:01:48,240 more bloody and destructive than the 34 00:01:52,730 --> 00:01:49,920 spreading of Christianity which 35 00:01:54,590 --> 00:01:52,740 steamrolled and converted nearly every 36 00:01:57,289 --> 00:01:54,600 culture and spiritual tradition it 37 00:01:59,690 --> 00:01:57,299 encountered fully functional magic 38 00:02:02,030 --> 00:01:59,700 systems were replaced by a subservience 39 00:02:04,459 --> 00:02:02,040 to Authority and slowly push to the back 40 00:02:07,039 --> 00:02:04,469 pages of history if they even made it in 41 00:02:09,109 --> 00:02:07,049 the books at all but from our place in 42 00:02:11,630 --> 00:02:09,119 the timeline we see a lot of value in 43 00:02:12,740 --> 00:02:11,640 the fractured yet sophisticated pieces 44 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:12,750 that have stood the test 45 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:15,570 and tell us that quite often something 46 00:02:19,010 --> 00:02:17,250 much deeper was going on with these 47 00:02:21,650 --> 00:02:19,020 traditions than the empires would have 48 00:02:23,810 --> 00:02:21,660 us believe yes there are many but the 49 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:23,820 distorted and nearly lost history that 50 00:02:27,830 --> 00:02:25,530 we're going to be diving into today is 51 00:02:29,810 --> 00:02:27,840 that of the north and the people who 52 00:02:31,970 --> 00:02:29,820 lived within the Arctic ring the 53 00:02:34,100 --> 00:02:31,980 Northern Europeans the Vikings and the 54 00:02:36,620 --> 00:02:34,110 Inuit along with their mythologies and 55 00:02:39,199 --> 00:02:36,630 legends that speak of a mystic land 56 00:02:42,350 --> 00:02:39,209 beyond the north wind often referred to 57 00:02:44,270 --> 00:02:42,360 as Hyperborea like Atlantis this 58 00:02:46,460 --> 00:02:44,280 cultural memory of the northern people 59 00:02:48,740 --> 00:02:46,470 might suggest an advanced civilization 60 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:48,750 in our ancient past it spread its 61 00:02:53,090 --> 00:02:50,850 influence outward as the changing 62 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:53,100 climate made their homeland too harsh to 63 00:02:57,890 --> 00:02:55,170 inhabit is there anything to suggest 64 00:03:00,350 --> 00:02:57,900 these legends of Hyperborea are true is 65 00:03:02,210 --> 00:03:00,360 there real magic in the runic system 66 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:02,220 where the Vikings just the bloodthirsty 67 00:03:06,410 --> 00:03:05,250 barbarians they're depicted as well 68 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:06,420 these are just a couple of the 69 00:03:10,430 --> 00:03:08,370 compelling questions addressed in the 70 00:03:13,100 --> 00:03:10,440 latest work of today's guest Christopher 71 00:03:15,789 --> 00:03:13,110 McIntosh entitled beyond the north wind 72 00:03:18,620 --> 00:03:15,799 the fall and rise of the mystic north if 73 00:03:20,479 --> 00:03:18,630 you're unfamiliar with mr. McIntosh he 74 00:03:24,020 --> 00:03:20,489 is a British born writer and historian 75 00:03:25,759 --> 00:03:24,030 who holds a PhD in history from Oxford a 76 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:25,769 degree in German from London University 77 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:28,890 and a diploma in Russian from the United 78 00:03:33,050 --> 00:03:31,170 language school he's written several 79 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:33,060 previous books that sound quite 80 00:03:37,910 --> 00:03:35,970 intriguing including Rosicrucians the 81 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:37,920 history mythology and rituals of an 82 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:40,650 esoteric order elephants Levi and the 83 00:03:46,250 --> 00:03:43,290 French occult revival and Gardens of the 84 00:03:48,140 --> 00:03:46,260 Gods myth magic and meaning so let's get 85 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:48,150 into it all the way from Germany the 86 00:03:52,250 --> 00:03:49,890 restorer of lost knowledge the 87 00:03:54,020 --> 00:03:52,260 Hyperborea seeker the professor of 88 00:03:56,210 --> 00:03:54,030 Nordic paganism and the scholar of 89 00:03:58,699 --> 00:03:56,220 secret esoteric orders Christopher 90 00:04:00,800 --> 00:03:58,709 welcome to the higher side thank you 91 00:04:03,530 --> 00:04:00,810 very much Greg suppose you to be on the 92 00:04:04,850 --> 00:04:03,540 show of course this is a real pleasure 93 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:04,860 I'm psyched you're here 94 00:04:09,500 --> 00:04:06,810 I really enjoyed beyond the north wind 95 00:04:11,780 --> 00:04:09,510 it combines two major interests I have 96 00:04:13,580 --> 00:04:11,790 which are digging into the magical 97 00:04:15,830 --> 00:04:13,590 traditions that were fractured by the 98 00:04:19,130 --> 00:04:15,840 hostile takeover of the Christian steam 99 00:04:22,130 --> 00:04:19,140 role as well as legends of mystical 100 00:04:24,380 --> 00:04:22,140 lands like Atlantis or shangri-la or of 101 00:04:25,830 --> 00:04:24,390 course Hyperborea so I think this is 102 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:25,840 going to be a lot of fun 103 00:04:29,210 --> 00:04:27,610 we've talked on this show about a lot of 104 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:29,220 spiritual cultures before 105 00:04:34,650 --> 00:04:31,810 native-american tribes the Dogon of West 106 00:04:37,020 --> 00:04:34,660 Africa ancient Egyptians Eastern 107 00:04:39,390 --> 00:04:37,030 traditions but I think there is a sort 108 00:04:41,790 --> 00:04:39,400 of assumption that well almost all 109 00:04:44,250 --> 00:04:41,800 history we learn about is white European 110 00:04:46,020 --> 00:04:44,260 history so do we really need to do this 111 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:46,030 but I think it's pretty clear that 112 00:04:51,090 --> 00:04:48,250 that's an oversimplification because if 113 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:51,100 you look at Celts or druids or as you 114 00:04:55,590 --> 00:04:53,650 write about nordic pagans you can see 115 00:04:59,370 --> 00:04:55,600 that a lot has been left out of the 116 00:05:02,280 --> 00:04:59,380 story wouldn't you say yes when I was 117 00:05:05,820 --> 00:05:02,290 going to school back in the 1950s and 118 00:05:08,700 --> 00:05:05,830 60s the version of history we were 119 00:05:12,030 --> 00:05:08,710 taught was basically that civilization 120 00:05:14,550 --> 00:05:12,040 spread from the south to the north so it 121 00:05:18,860 --> 00:05:14,560 all started somewhere around the region 122 00:05:20,700 --> 00:05:18,870 that is now Iraq and then went via the 123 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:20,710 Egyptians and the Greeks and the Romans 124 00:05:28,620 --> 00:05:23,530 and further and further north until all 125 00:05:31,140 --> 00:05:28,630 of Europe was civilized so the early 126 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:31,150 inhabitants of northern Europe tended to 127 00:05:38,129 --> 00:05:34,450 be thought of as primitive barbarians 128 00:05:39,930 --> 00:05:38,139 for example that about the only thing I 129 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:39,940 remember being taught as a child about 130 00:05:45,510 --> 00:05:42,610 the ancient Britons was that they dyed 131 00:05:48,779 --> 00:05:45,520 their skins blue with a substance called 132 00:05:52,500 --> 00:05:48,789 mode so I used to imagine these 133 00:05:54,390 --> 00:05:52,510 mysterious blue skin figures moving 134 00:05:57,270 --> 00:05:54,400 through the misty forests of ancient 135 00:06:00,930 --> 00:05:57,280 Britain occasionally grunting to each 136 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:00,940 other in what passed for language well 137 00:06:07,710 --> 00:06:04,210 we now know that that's a very important 138 00:06:10,850 --> 00:06:07,720 as you say so one of the things I wanted 139 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:10,860 to do was to correct this this view 140 00:06:17,370 --> 00:06:13,570 mm-hmm but I mean having having said 141 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:17,380 that there is now a lot of interest in 142 00:06:22,710 --> 00:06:20,050 things Northern when you think of the 143 00:06:25,469 --> 00:06:22,720 number of films it seems like every 144 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:25,479 other day a film comes out about Beowulf 145 00:06:30,330 --> 00:06:28,690 or the Vikings or the Nordic gods then 146 00:06:33,300 --> 00:06:30,340 they're all the computer games and the 147 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:33,310 and there's a whole genre of pop music 148 00:06:39,750 --> 00:06:36,130 and based on the ORAC themes so it's 149 00:06:42,270 --> 00:06:39,760 somehow the whole Nordic thing 150 00:06:46,110 --> 00:06:42,280 some have come to life in the present 151 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:46,120 age mm-hmm yes I definitely notice a 152 00:06:51,840 --> 00:06:49,330 resurgence of sorts and I know that 153 00:06:54,330 --> 00:06:51,850 you've looked at a lot of magical and 154 00:06:56,940 --> 00:06:54,340 esoteric history and when I talk to 155 00:06:59,430 --> 00:06:56,950 people who practice in the occult 156 00:07:02,070 --> 00:06:59,440 they often emphasize the importance of 157 00:07:04,380 --> 00:07:02,080 being connected to the system that 158 00:07:07,650 --> 00:07:04,390 you're using they call it a tradition 159 00:07:09,690 --> 00:07:07,660 for a reason and so I think well is it 160 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:09,700 better to pay homage in my case to the 161 00:07:14,130 --> 00:07:11,770 indigenous magic of the area where I now 162 00:07:15,870 --> 00:07:14,140 live in Southern California or should I 163 00:07:18,330 --> 00:07:15,880 be looking at systems and cultures I'm 164 00:07:20,370 --> 00:07:18,340 more genetically linked to like Northern 165 00:07:22,770 --> 00:07:20,380 Europe and I'm just curious to hear your 166 00:07:25,170 --> 00:07:22,780 thoughts on these threads of heritage 167 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:25,180 and culture and geography even and how 168 00:07:30,900 --> 00:07:28,450 they pertain to magical or spiritual 169 00:07:35,220 --> 00:07:30,910 traditions and their potency 170 00:07:38,850 --> 00:07:35,230 yes well I come from more than Europe so 171 00:07:40,500 --> 00:07:38,860 I feel a connection with the traditions 172 00:07:44,790 --> 00:07:40,510 of Northern Europe and the gods of 173 00:07:50,190 --> 00:07:44,800 Northern Europe now of course the 174 00:07:53,900 --> 00:07:50,200 ancient Nordic religion is lies to some 175 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:53,910 extent a reconstruction because 176 00:07:58,590 --> 00:07:56,050 obviously it doesn't it hasn't existed 177 00:08:02,730 --> 00:07:58,600 continued continuously as a living 178 00:08:07,290 --> 00:08:02,740 religion but we have the the ancient 179 00:08:08,910 --> 00:08:07,300 writings the header on the sagas we have 180 00:08:12,450 --> 00:08:08,920 ancient remains we have certain 181 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:12,460 traditions folklore and so on and so 182 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:15,010 from these things one can to some extent 183 00:08:22,620 --> 00:08:18,210 we construct we construct their religion 184 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:22,630 take for example a symbol that is is 185 00:08:28,890 --> 00:08:24,970 used by the modern modak pagans with 186 00:08:30,180 --> 00:08:28,900 thought the hammer of Thor this is a 187 00:08:33,230 --> 00:08:30,190 symbol that goes right back to 188 00:08:35,969 --> 00:08:33,240 prehistoric times it's found in 189 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:35,979 prehistoric cave paintings and and so on 190 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:40,090 and there's a story in the editor about 191 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:44,050 how the god thor his hammer was stolen 192 00:08:53,580 --> 00:08:48,250 by a giant and for got it back by 193 00:08:56,550 --> 00:08:53,590 dressing as a woman and having the giant 194 00:08:59,070 --> 00:08:56,560 who'd stolen the hammer proposing to 195 00:09:01,200 --> 00:08:59,080 marry him and then at the wedding for 196 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:01,210 the wedding feast the hammer was placed 197 00:09:07,620 --> 00:09:04,770 in the lap of Thor disguised as a woman 198 00:09:10,230 --> 00:09:07,630 which follows follows an old custom of 199 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:10,240 placing a hammer in the lap of the bride 200 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:13,930 as a kind of fertility symbol now the 201 00:09:21,060 --> 00:09:16,330 the use of that use of the Thor's hammer 202 00:09:22,950 --> 00:09:21,070 has been revived and this customer 203 00:09:26,010 --> 00:09:22,960 placing the hammer in the lap of the 204 00:09:29,610 --> 00:09:26,020 brightest has also been revolved in in 205 00:09:33,210 --> 00:09:29,620 countries like Sweden so that that's an 206 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:33,220 example of how you have you can revive 207 00:09:40,079 --> 00:09:35,290 an ancient tradition and and reconnect 208 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:40,089 with it mm-hmm and a lot of your book 209 00:09:44,730 --> 00:09:42,730 beyond the north wind talks about the 210 00:09:46,139 --> 00:09:44,740 Nordic gods and their stories make sense 211 00:09:47,370 --> 00:09:46,149 you know have the tails there 212 00:09:50,730 --> 00:09:47,380 mythology's like the one you just 213 00:09:52,530 --> 00:09:50,740 mentioned and they are interesting but I 214 00:09:54,690 --> 00:09:52,540 think they're deeper than some people 215 00:09:56,340 --> 00:09:54,700 realized maybe even more real than 216 00:09:59,310 --> 00:09:56,350 people realize and you write in the book 217 00:10:02,130 --> 00:09:59,320 about Carl Jung's perspective on deities 218 00:10:05,070 --> 00:10:02,140 where he said deities are like a 219 00:10:07,680 --> 00:10:05,080 riverbed dug out over many centuries in 220 00:10:10,380 --> 00:10:07,690 the collective mind of a people when the 221 00:10:12,690 --> 00:10:10,390 River dries up the bed remains and when 222 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:12,700 the water begins to flow again the river 223 00:10:19,290 --> 00:10:15,730 returns to its old course and I like 224 00:10:20,550 --> 00:10:19,300 that analogy but kind of elaborating on 225 00:10:21,990 --> 00:10:20,560 what you were just saying how would you 226 00:10:25,980 --> 00:10:22,000 expand on that and help people 227 00:10:28,829 --> 00:10:25,990 understand the value of the gods so to 228 00:10:30,410 --> 00:10:28,839 speak or you know the realness I guess 229 00:10:34,100 --> 00:10:30,420 in a sense 230 00:10:37,100 --> 00:10:34,110 well you would find many different views 231 00:10:39,020 --> 00:10:37,110 about what the gods actually are I mean 232 00:10:42,470 --> 00:10:39,030 even even within the Nordic Pagan 233 00:10:46,030 --> 00:10:42,480 movement some people believe that they 234 00:10:48,830 --> 00:10:46,040 actually exist in physical reality like 235 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:48,840 spend on the intention who was the 236 00:10:57,890 --> 00:10:52,130 founder of the has a to movements in 237 00:10:59,980 --> 00:10:57,900 Iceland as landok Fagan movement and he 238 00:11:04,040 --> 00:10:59,990 claimed that he had actually met Odin 239 00:11:08,570 --> 00:11:04,050 while walking in the country one day and 240 00:11:11,750 --> 00:11:08,580 so that's so that's one view others take 241 00:11:15,230 --> 00:11:11,760 the view that the gods are all different 242 00:11:18,020 --> 00:11:15,240 aspects of the one supreme god others 243 00:11:20,660 --> 00:11:18,030 take the union view that there are parts 244 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:20,670 of our collective unconscious others 245 00:11:26,510 --> 00:11:23,090 would say that their thought forms 246 00:11:29,570 --> 00:11:26,520 created through human beings worshiping 247 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:29,580 them well I tend to take the view that 248 00:11:37,250 --> 00:11:33,330 their personifications of 249 00:11:40,970 --> 00:11:37,260 the great forces in the universe and in 250 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:40,980 ourselves I mean for example we all know 251 00:11:48,140 --> 00:11:44,370 that there's a force of Heroes well in 252 00:11:52,030 --> 00:11:48,150 the classical mythology this force is 253 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:52,040 represented by Venus Aphrodite in the 254 00:12:00,680 --> 00:11:53,970 the Nordic mythology 255 00:12:02,540 --> 00:12:00,690 it's symbolized by Claire so the gods to 256 00:12:05,930 --> 00:12:02,550 me they're they're eccentric ations 257 00:12:07,150 --> 00:12:05,940 symbols of forces that can be worked 258 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:07,160 with 259 00:12:14,630 --> 00:12:09,930 mm-hmm I think that makes a lot of sense 260 00:12:17,390 --> 00:12:14,640 yes that and the kind of waveform idea 261 00:12:19,580 --> 00:12:17,400 are the things in my basket for sure 262 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:19,590 just this idea that the more energy we 263 00:12:25,700 --> 00:12:22,170 give to something the more people give 264 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:25,710 it their energy the more solid it can 265 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:28,050 see maybe in the sense that you can meet 266 00:12:36,860 --> 00:12:31,890 Odin out in the woods somewhere well yes 267 00:12:41,110 --> 00:12:36,870 yes I mean there is the the Tibetan 268 00:12:44,980 --> 00:12:41,120 tradition of the totem which is a 269 00:12:52,910 --> 00:12:44,990 human-like being who is create 270 00:12:55,370 --> 00:12:52,920 bye-bye human thoughts and in Alexandra 271 00:12:57,770 --> 00:12:55,380 David Neil spoke about Tibet she relates 272 00:13:01,880 --> 00:12:57,780 how she actually managed to create one 273 00:13:04,220 --> 00:13:01,890 of these tokens so maybe maybe what 274 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:04,230 that's what turned on Ben Jonson saw 275 00:13:10,910 --> 00:13:07,130 when he was out for a walk 276 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:10,920 mmm yeah quite possibly I think there is 277 00:13:18,910 --> 00:13:15,810 a powerful energy behind where humans 278 00:13:21,770 --> 00:13:18,920 put their attention yes and 279 00:13:25,670 --> 00:13:21,780 unfortunately in the modern world we are 280 00:13:28,340 --> 00:13:25,680 so just going about life unconsciously 281 00:13:31,370 --> 00:13:28,350 and just sort of especially here in the 282 00:13:33,470 --> 00:13:31,380 states living to be entertained and our 283 00:13:36,710 --> 00:13:33,480 attention is constantly on just what's 284 00:13:38,690 --> 00:13:36,720 in front of the screen and that's a real 285 00:13:41,210 --> 00:13:38,700 shame because we're putting a lot of 286 00:13:44,390 --> 00:13:41,220 energy into just making Disney a bigger 287 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:44,400 corporation yes and we're not using our 288 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:46,650 power probably appropriately that's 289 00:13:52,490 --> 00:13:49,890 right so let's get into the juicy stuff 290 00:13:56,210 --> 00:13:52,500 which to me is hyper boria or I guess 291 00:13:59,210 --> 00:13:56,220 you pronounce it hyperborea yes I would 292 00:14:02,420 --> 00:13:59,220 say hyperborea sure what can you tell 293 00:14:04,970 --> 00:14:02,430 people about this concept of hyperborea 294 00:14:09,170 --> 00:14:04,980 in the north and how central it is to a 295 00:14:14,150 --> 00:14:09,180 lot of the northern people well it all 296 00:14:17,810 --> 00:14:14,160 goes back to the ancient Greeks when an 297 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:17,820 ancient greek mariner called Pythias set 298 00:14:24,370 --> 00:14:21,930 out from the greek colony of masala 299 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:24,380 which is present-day Marseilles and 300 00:14:32,030 --> 00:14:27,570 sailed out into the Atlantic and up into 301 00:14:34,190 --> 00:14:32,040 the far north and came to a country 302 00:14:37,510 --> 00:14:34,200 which he describes as a country of fog 303 00:14:41,420 --> 00:14:37,520 and ice which may well have been Iceland 304 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:41,430 but at any rate this this would weeks 305 00:14:47,930 --> 00:14:43,770 called Hyperborea the land beyond Boreas 306 00:14:52,010 --> 00:14:47,940 the north wind and later it came to be 307 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:52,020 also an alternative name came to be fula 308 00:14:56,950 --> 00:14:53,250 or tula or 309 00:14:58,280 --> 00:14:56,960 Ultima Tula as the Romans called it and 310 00:15:06,019 --> 00:14:58,290 this 311 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:06,029 land in the far north 312 00:15:15,619 --> 00:15:10,050 with a temperate climate 313 00:15:18,069 --> 00:15:15,629 we're an advanced people lived until the 314 00:15:21,790 --> 00:15:18,079 polar region became covered by ice and 315 00:15:24,699 --> 00:15:21,800 the Hyperborea pnes disappeared 316 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:24,709 but many people think that they didn't 317 00:15:30,299 --> 00:15:27,170 in fact disappear but dispersed to other 318 00:15:34,749 --> 00:15:30,309 parts of the world leaving their 319 00:15:38,229 --> 00:15:34,759 footprints in various ways for example 320 00:15:41,379 --> 00:15:38,239 the great megaliths like Stonehenge in 321 00:15:45,039 --> 00:15:41,389 England and the calendar stones in the 322 00:15:48,210 --> 00:15:45,049 Hebrides it could be could be examples 323 00:15:53,910 --> 00:15:48,220 of the footprints of the Hyperborea ins 324 00:15:57,489 --> 00:15:53,920 because they a monument like Stonehenge 325 00:15:59,379 --> 00:15:57,499 was an enormous feat it's estimated it 326 00:16:01,449 --> 00:15:59,389 wouldn't have taken the entire 327 00:16:04,660 --> 00:16:01,459 population of Britain at the time about 328 00:16:09,100 --> 00:16:04,670 seven years just to erect the central 329 00:16:13,259 --> 00:16:09,110 ring of stones so these these megaliths 330 00:16:16,530 --> 00:16:13,269 and the megaliths also incorporates 331 00:16:19,059 --> 00:16:16,540 advanced astronomical knowledge and 332 00:16:22,590 --> 00:16:19,069 mathematical knowledge many of them 333 00:16:25,749 --> 00:16:22,600 incorporate the golden section so on so 334 00:16:27,730 --> 00:16:25,759 they've often been a great puzzle to 335 00:16:30,100 --> 00:16:27,740 archaeologists and some archaeologists 336 00:16:32,949 --> 00:16:30,110 try to argue that they must have been 337 00:16:35,919 --> 00:16:32,959 built by more advanced people from the 338 00:16:41,379 --> 00:16:35,929 south which is an example of what I was 339 00:16:43,239 --> 00:16:41,389 saying earlier about the northern more 340 00:16:48,730 --> 00:16:43,249 than civilisation was sort of airbrushed 341 00:16:52,210 --> 00:16:48,740 out of our consciousness so that's an 342 00:16:54,579 --> 00:16:52,220 example of kind of traces that the 343 00:16:58,059 --> 00:16:54,589 Hyperborean civilisation maitain left 344 00:16:59,579 --> 00:16:58,069 behind yes very interesting and I 345 00:17:02,439 --> 00:16:59,589 definitely am intrigued by the 346 00:17:05,199 --> 00:17:02,449 megalithic sites all around the planet 347 00:17:08,019 --> 00:17:05,209 and it seems like some of the most 348 00:17:11,590 --> 00:17:08,029 impressive examples are like the Giza 349 00:17:12,069 --> 00:17:11,600 Plateau the stones at Baalbek gobekli 350 00:17:14,340 --> 00:17:12,079 tepe 351 00:17:17,980 --> 00:17:14,350 yeah and it just seems hard to 352 00:17:19,539 --> 00:17:17,990 reverse-engineer a lineage of where 353 00:17:21,189 --> 00:17:19,549 these things would have come from or 354 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:21,199 established a timeline when we can't 355 00:17:24,220 --> 00:17:22,730 even really seem to date them there 356 00:17:27,939 --> 00:17:24,230 definitely seems to be similarities 357 00:17:30,639 --> 00:17:27,949 around the world yes so that suggests a 358 00:17:32,340 --> 00:17:30,649 common source but how could we know to 359 00:17:36,180 --> 00:17:32,350 place that in the north 360 00:17:39,330 --> 00:17:36,190 well they have been very interesting 361 00:17:42,649 --> 00:17:39,340 remains discovered for example in the 362 00:17:45,419 --> 00:17:42,659 far north of Russia in Russian Lapland 363 00:17:48,779 --> 00:17:45,429 in the region of the White Sea and the 364 00:17:51,870 --> 00:17:48,789 barren sea back in the 1920s there was a 365 00:17:55,950 --> 00:17:51,880 Russian archaeologist Alexander pachinko 366 00:17:58,289 --> 00:17:55,960 who went there and he was actually 367 00:18:02,460 --> 00:17:58,299 looking for Hyperborea because he 368 00:18:05,460 --> 00:18:02,470 thought that the Bereans were an example 369 00:18:08,249 --> 00:18:05,470 of what earlier civilization with very 370 00:18:10,950 --> 00:18:08,259 advanced knowledge and that maybe one 371 00:18:15,180 --> 00:18:10,960 could somehow reconstruct this knowledge 372 00:18:16,860 --> 00:18:15,190 so he went up there in search of 373 00:18:21,930 --> 00:18:16,870 hyperborea and he found some 374 00:18:25,919 --> 00:18:21,940 extraordinary things like pyramids paved 375 00:18:28,860 --> 00:18:25,929 an ancient paved road labyrinths and 376 00:18:31,980 --> 00:18:28,870 other such remains and he was he was 377 00:18:36,180 --> 00:18:31,990 convinced that the local indigenous 378 00:18:41,759 --> 00:18:36,190 people the sami the sami shamans were in 379 00:18:46,190 --> 00:18:41,769 fact the ancestor or the present-day 380 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:46,200 descendants of the pythagorean's and 381 00:18:52,369 --> 00:18:49,210 more recently there have been a number 382 00:18:55,139 --> 00:18:52,379 of other expeditions to the same area 383 00:18:58,639 --> 00:18:55,149 which again had found all kinds of 384 00:19:02,820 --> 00:18:58,649 extraordinary things like a huge throne 385 00:19:06,509 --> 00:19:02,830 twice human height covered carved out of 386 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:06,519 a single block so it's difficult 387 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:08,730 difficult to account for these things 388 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:12,570 unless one presupposes some kind of 389 00:19:20,249 --> 00:19:17,850 ancient prehistoric civilization there 390 00:19:23,279 --> 00:19:20,259 well I'm definitely intrigued by the 391 00:19:26,519 --> 00:19:23,289 idea of a temperate land in north and 392 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:26,529 I've read various accounts of Arctic 393 00:19:32,549 --> 00:19:30,250 explorers that suggest some weird things 394 00:19:34,289 --> 00:19:32,559 being out on the deck and not needing 395 00:19:37,799 --> 00:19:34,299 their coat yeah 396 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:37,809 watching certain birds migrate north and 397 00:19:43,860 --> 00:19:39,850 wondering where they're going yes 398 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:43,870 warm air coming from somewhere it's 399 00:19:47,629 --> 00:19:45,690 confusing I don't know what kind of 400 00:19:49,430 --> 00:19:47,639 to put in those stories especially in 401 00:19:51,710 --> 00:19:49,440 the modern world I mean it's hard for 402 00:19:55,009 --> 00:19:51,720 some people to entertain that there are 403 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:55,019 lands that are unfound but what do you 404 00:20:00,950 --> 00:19:56,610 make of those stories are definitely 405 00:20:05,269 --> 00:20:00,960 interesting well I think at the present 406 00:20:10,009 --> 00:20:05,279 time the Arctic region is simply too 407 00:20:13,340 --> 00:20:10,019 cold to sustain such a civilization but 408 00:20:16,850 --> 00:20:13,350 it hasn't always been that phones I mean 409 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:16,860 for example on Spitsbergen here spits 410 00:20:23,450 --> 00:20:20,129 spits blatant archipelago which is only 411 00:20:26,210 --> 00:20:23,460 about 700 miles from the North Pole 412 00:20:32,259 --> 00:20:26,220 and they found fossilized remains upon 413 00:20:36,259 --> 00:20:32,269 trees so clearly Pittsburgh and once had 414 00:20:37,580 --> 00:20:36,269 quite a warm climate right they could 415 00:20:40,820 --> 00:20:37,590 have been a number of reasons for this 416 00:20:43,970 --> 00:20:40,830 it could have been that at one time the 417 00:20:45,259 --> 00:20:43,980 Earth's axis was vertical which would 418 00:20:46,999 --> 00:20:45,269 have meant that the temperate zone 419 00:20:50,090 --> 00:20:47,009 extended much further north and it was 420 00:20:53,360 --> 00:20:50,100 now or it could have been due to a 421 00:20:54,700 --> 00:20:53,370 shifting of the Earth's crust and there 422 00:20:58,009 --> 00:20:54,710 and there are a number of other 423 00:21:02,480 --> 00:20:58,019 geophysical reasons why North might at 424 00:21:04,879 --> 00:21:02,490 one time have been habitable mm-hmm yes 425 00:21:06,710 --> 00:21:04,889 I I love that fact that they found 426 00:21:09,230 --> 00:21:06,720 fossilized palm trees there and then 427 00:21:10,909 --> 00:21:09,240 your mind starts trying to work back the 428 00:21:12,460 --> 00:21:10,919 ways in which that would be possible I'm 429 00:21:16,279 --> 00:21:12,470 a fan of the earth crust displacement 430 00:21:17,899 --> 00:21:16,289 idea but then it kind of throws out you 431 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:17,909 know the direction of North that then 432 00:21:24,919 --> 00:21:20,250 becomes like east and west it just seems 433 00:21:27,139 --> 00:21:24,929 weird to conceptualize that's true so if 434 00:21:28,970 --> 00:21:27,149 the idea is that this civilization was 435 00:21:31,220 --> 00:21:28,980 destroyed and these advanced people went 436 00:21:34,220 --> 00:21:31,230 out and seeded their knowledge what else 437 00:21:36,379 --> 00:21:34,230 could we see today that might be pieces 438 00:21:37,879 --> 00:21:36,389 of it I think along the lines of 439 00:21:39,919 --> 00:21:37,889 megalithic sites maybe even the 440 00:21:43,070 --> 00:21:39,929 megalithic yard this unit of measurement 441 00:21:46,669 --> 00:21:43,080 that used to be quite important yes 442 00:21:49,879 --> 00:21:46,679 exactly well the very existence with 443 00:21:53,330 --> 00:21:49,889 megalithic yard presupposes a quite 444 00:21:54,950 --> 00:21:53,340 advanced civilization because they would 445 00:21:57,109 --> 00:21:54,960 have had would have to have been a 446 00:21:59,480 --> 00:21:57,119 standard measurement they would have had 447 00:22:02,810 --> 00:21:59,490 to have a kind of 448 00:22:05,620 --> 00:22:02,820 what would you call it a template for 449 00:22:09,970 --> 00:22:05,630 this megalithic yard which was shared 450 00:22:12,530 --> 00:22:09,980 throughout a very very wide area and 451 00:22:15,620 --> 00:22:12,540 yeah so that's possible piece of 452 00:22:18,460 --> 00:22:15,630 evidence another possible piece of 453 00:22:22,410 --> 00:22:18,470 evidence is linguistic 454 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:22,420 the indo-european languages are 455 00:22:30,940 --> 00:22:26,890 extremely complex with all kinds of 456 00:22:33,730 --> 00:22:30,950 cases and different verb forms and and 457 00:22:37,930 --> 00:22:33,740 so on and it's very difficult to think 458 00:22:42,310 --> 00:22:37,940 that these languages simply evolved I 459 00:22:44,350 --> 00:22:42,320 mean the grammar is simply to pump notes 460 00:22:47,350 --> 00:22:44,360 one has the impression that they were 461 00:22:50,860 --> 00:22:47,360 created at some point they were 462 00:22:54,630 --> 00:22:50,870 deliberately designed and there is one 463 00:22:58,060 --> 00:22:54,640 theory that they came from 464 00:23:02,140 --> 00:22:58,070 hyperborea at a time when Hyperborea was 465 00:23:06,250 --> 00:23:02,150 cut off by the ice and this enabled the 466 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:06,260 people of that that region to free from 467 00:23:14,980 --> 00:23:10,730 outside influences to create a complex 468 00:23:18,250 --> 00:23:14,990 language over a period of maybe a couple 469 00:23:21,610 --> 00:23:18,260 of thousand years or so so that's that's 470 00:23:25,150 --> 00:23:21,620 another possible ezal evidence and then 471 00:23:29,350 --> 00:23:25,160 we have the evidence of the Hindu 472 00:23:32,430 --> 00:23:29,360 scriptures the Vedas where there is 473 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:32,440 mention of an ancient home in the north 474 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:36,530 where there was a dawn of sixty days now 475 00:23:42,910 --> 00:23:40,010 the polar year basically consists of a 476 00:23:45,490 --> 00:23:42,920 day and a night but four months each 477 00:23:49,690 --> 00:23:45,500 with a dawn and Twilight at two months 478 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:49,700 at each end so this passage seems to 479 00:23:54,700 --> 00:23:53,330 refer to the north polar region so there 480 00:23:58,210 --> 00:23:54,710 are all sorts of there all sorts of 481 00:24:00,250 --> 00:23:58,220 hints like that I mean this has very 482 00:24:02,890 --> 00:24:00,260 little at when one can call direct 483 00:24:06,510 --> 00:24:02,900 evidence of the route that there's a lot 484 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:06,520 of indirect evidence and this kind 485 00:24:12,010 --> 00:24:09,770 mm-hmm another thing that is interesting 486 00:24:14,260 --> 00:24:12,020 is that apparently if you look at a lot 487 00:24:16,270 --> 00:24:14,270 of the cultures around the ring of the 488 00:24:17,650 --> 00:24:16,280 far north you see a lot of shamanism 489 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:17,660 which is right up my alley 490 00:24:22,450 --> 00:24:20,570 and our ears this is something that you 491 00:24:24,900 --> 00:24:22,460 think might also have been carried on 492 00:24:27,870 --> 00:24:24,910 from the piper Bereans is that right 493 00:24:30,430 --> 00:24:27,880 yeah yes absolutely 494 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:30,440 as you say all of those indigenous 495 00:24:37,420 --> 00:24:33,530 peoples around the Arctic Circle the via 496 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:37,430 nuit the the various Mongol peoples of 497 00:24:41,620 --> 00:24:39,770 northern Russia the family of northern 498 00:24:45,100 --> 00:24:41,630 Scandinavia that they're all shamanic 499 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:45,110 cultures and in fact the Nordic 500 00:24:54,390 --> 00:24:50,810 mythology is pervaded by shamanism when 501 00:24:56,169 --> 00:24:54,400 you think of how Odin is said to have 502 00:24:59,200 --> 00:24:56,179 received the secret of 503 00:25:01,830 --> 00:24:59,210 rooms by hanging on the world tree the 504 00:25:05,850 --> 00:25:01,840 aggressor for the nine days and nights 505 00:25:08,499 --> 00:25:05,860 which is a typical shamanic ordeal and 506 00:25:12,460 --> 00:25:08,509 he has other shamanic features he has 507 00:25:15,850 --> 00:25:12,470 totem animals he has two worlds and two 508 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:15,860 Ravens and he has a horse with eight 509 00:25:23,470 --> 00:25:19,730 legs and there are many references in 510 00:25:27,249 --> 00:25:23,480 misogynist to shamanic practices so I 511 00:25:31,239 --> 00:25:27,259 think shamanism was the original 512 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:31,249 religion of the modak peoples and it's 513 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:35,450 somehow become dormant hmm but I think 514 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:40,090 in a way it is the way it is the sort of 515 00:25:46,539 --> 00:25:44,210 secret religion of the north yeah I 516 00:25:50,649 --> 00:25:46,549 really like those ideas I've been 517 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:50,659 intrigued by the work of I think it's 518 00:25:55,180 --> 00:25:52,850 John Michael Allegro sacred mushroom in 519 00:25:57,730 --> 00:25:55,190 the cross the idea that a lot of the 520 00:26:00,279 --> 00:25:57,740 Christmas motifs are actually derived 521 00:26:03,249 --> 00:26:00,289 from the Amanita muscaria mushroom which 522 00:26:05,859 --> 00:26:03,259 is white and red which are the colors of 523 00:26:07,989 --> 00:26:05,869 Santa Clauses mystical guide and the 524 00:26:11,049 --> 00:26:07,999 reindeers are all flying and it's like 525 00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:11,059 really allusions to psychedelics or 526 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:14,720 entheogen youth yes well the use of 527 00:26:20,460 --> 00:26:17,210 psychedelics is very important in 528 00:26:24,070 --> 00:26:20,470 shamans and and it's found very widely 529 00:26:28,029 --> 00:26:24,080 among those indigenous peoples I mean 530 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:28,039 for example in Finland there is a 531 00:26:35,129 --> 00:26:31,850 practice of rape reindeers 532 00:26:38,019 --> 00:26:35,139 I often eat these Amanita mushrooms and 533 00:26:41,470 --> 00:26:38,029 there's the practice of drinking the 534 00:26:46,029 --> 00:26:41,480 urine of reindeer because you then get 535 00:26:49,060 --> 00:26:46,039 the narcotic effect without the poisons 536 00:26:52,570 --> 00:26:49,070 this has a deep you get it in a 537 00:26:57,100 --> 00:26:52,580 detoxified form and also and also in a 538 00:27:01,200 --> 00:26:57,110 very intense form so that's an example 539 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:01,210 of yeah the usually use of psychedelic 540 00:27:08,180 --> 00:27:04,730 filtered and concentrated yes yes at 541 00:27:12,050 --> 00:27:08,190 what cost and 542 00:27:15,020 --> 00:27:12,060 you mentioned Thule which is a term we 543 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:15,030 hear about in German occultism there's 544 00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:17,970 are these references to the same mystic 545 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:23,370 land you think yes well I mean we the 546 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:25,970 germans had their own sort of 547 00:27:31,450 --> 00:27:27,890 interpretation on which sort of 548 00:27:37,370 --> 00:27:31,460 idealized it as a kind of burn more than 549 00:27:40,730 --> 00:27:37,380 kind of Aryan paradise yeah but can't 550 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:40,740 say very much much more about yeah I 551 00:27:45,620 --> 00:27:43,410 mean we often find similar terms for 552 00:27:48,590 --> 00:27:45,630 different ideas I mean I've always 553 00:27:51,350 --> 00:27:48,600 considered hyperborea to be this mystic 554 00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:51,360 mountain of the gods but I was surprised 555 00:27:55,340 --> 00:27:53,370 by the diversity of descriptions and 556 00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:55,350 even how similar some descriptions are 557 00:28:00,560 --> 00:27:58,050 to Atlantis and that it was an advanced 558 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:00,570 civilization that's now underwater that 559 00:28:06,110 --> 00:28:03,330 is described at times we get this idea 560 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:06,120 of Atlantis from Plato and curiously one 561 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:08,450 of your contention seems to be that this 562 00:28:13,910 --> 00:28:11,730 Hyperborean culture might have been an 563 00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:13,920 influencer of the Greeks maybe this is 564 00:28:21,850 --> 00:28:17,600 how this cultural memory made it to them 565 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:21,860 well I think I think you're referring to 566 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:27,090 the theory that Homer's poems neatly 567 00:28:35,620 --> 00:28:31,770 Iliad and the Odyssey actually described 568 00:28:40,190 --> 00:28:35,630 a place that was in the North the Mott 569 00:28:43,220 --> 00:28:40,200 in the Mediterranean right this is a 570 00:28:47,420 --> 00:28:43,230 it's a very interesting theory there's 571 00:28:49,310 --> 00:28:47,430 an Italian researcher on the leech leech 572 00:28:52,730 --> 00:28:49,320 DaVinci who's written a very interesting 573 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:52,740 book on this subject and comes up with 574 00:29:02,140 --> 00:28:57,450 some very interesting evidence I mean 575 00:29:04,910 --> 00:29:02,150 when and Hilma when Homer describes the 576 00:29:10,550 --> 00:29:04,920 Peloponnese for example he describes it 577 00:29:12,170 --> 00:29:10,560 as a flat flat island when in fact we 578 00:29:17,450 --> 00:29:12,180 know it was it's a mountainous for 579 00:29:22,010 --> 00:29:17,460 insular and he identifies place-names 580 00:29:24,380 --> 00:29:22,020 in Homer and that don't correspond 581 00:29:28,130 --> 00:29:24,390 the Mediterranean that correspond very 582 00:29:31,670 --> 00:29:28,140 closely to places on the Baltic so that 583 00:29:33,260 --> 00:29:31,680 is an interesting theory it is and there 584 00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:33,270 were also some interesting threads about 585 00:29:41,210 --> 00:29:36,960 Troy and we have this idea of the Trojan 586 00:29:43,670 --> 00:29:41,220 horse but to say a wooden horse at a 587 00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:43,680 time when people rode horses is almost 588 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:48,240 to say a vehicle like a boat yes and to 589 00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:49,290 think they could have been trying to 590 00:29:53,630 --> 00:29:51,360 describe a boat it's just kind of 591 00:29:55,910 --> 00:29:53,640 mind-blowing considering what at least 592 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:55,920 what Hollywood has put in my head yes 593 00:30:00,020 --> 00:29:57,410 yes 594 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:00,030 yeah it could rather be in a boat 595 00:30:06,350 --> 00:30:03,090 especially when you think that in the 596 00:30:09,740 --> 00:30:06,360 Icelandic poetry boat is often referred 597 00:30:13,220 --> 00:30:09,750 to as the the horse of the sea yeah it 598 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:13,230 makes perfect sense yes yes more sense 599 00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:16,650 than wheeling in a horse model and 600 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:18,480 hiding inside of it I mean you think 601 00:30:25,450 --> 00:30:20,730 soldiers would be on a giant boat a 602 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:25,460 warship I mean that makes more sense yes 603 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:27,570 well of course there is there is a 604 00:30:37,460 --> 00:30:33,210 theory that Troy in fact was not a real 605 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:37,470 place but the whole story of Troy was in 606 00:30:45,410 --> 00:30:42,450 fact symbolic so Helen of Troy is in 607 00:30:48,140 --> 00:30:45,420 fact the spring goddess who is captured 608 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:48,150 by the god of winter and so that the 609 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:49,850 whole story of the fleeing at Helens 610 00:30:55,340 --> 00:30:53,730 symbolically the coming of spring which 611 00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:55,350 which actually would would make quite a 612 00:30:59,440 --> 00:30:57,570 lot of sense and it would explain why 613 00:31:07,190 --> 00:30:59,450 there are many places throughout Europe 614 00:31:09,020 --> 00:31:07,200 with the name Troy ah this place the 615 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:09,030 name Troy came from the legend rather 616 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:13,170 than from a particular place and the 617 00:31:19,310 --> 00:31:15,570 idea of the labyrinth was a place where 618 00:31:24,050 --> 00:31:19,320 the spring goddess was kept imprisoned 619 00:31:26,030 --> 00:31:24,060 and then freed yeah it does make sense 620 00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:26,040 and it's it's a funny thing because the 621 00:31:31,100 --> 00:31:28,320 further you go back the harder it is for 622 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:31,110 me to unravel these kind of things and I 623 00:31:35,390 --> 00:31:33,690 would think that fiction and the 624 00:31:38,780 --> 00:31:35,400 imagination would exist 625 00:31:40,150 --> 00:31:38,790 just as long as anything would and so 626 00:31:42,410 --> 00:31:40,160 when we're looking at these ancient 627 00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:42,420 writings and they're already quite 628 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:44,880 flowery and poetic in the way they 629 00:31:48,650 --> 00:31:46,410 record things but we have this tendency 630 00:31:51,460 --> 00:31:48,660 I guess to just think the older 631 00:31:54,860 --> 00:31:51,470 something is the more literal it is and 632 00:31:58,220 --> 00:31:54,870 that's probably not true no no not at 633 00:32:01,910 --> 00:31:58,230 all usually the more nuanced and layered 634 00:32:06,140 --> 00:32:01,920 it is actually yes yes absolutely yes 635 00:32:11,030 --> 00:32:06,150 yes when you think of the the Viking 636 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:11,040 poetry for example which is full of 637 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:14,370 extremely complex meta phones called 638 00:32:18,530 --> 00:32:15,290 kennings 639 00:32:21,710 --> 00:32:18,540 where example like the one I mentioned 640 00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:21,720 where they talk about a ship as being 641 00:32:30,830 --> 00:32:25,440 the horse of the sea and well there's a 642 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:30,840 saw this sunlight is the sword of the 643 00:32:38,900 --> 00:32:36,090 gods and so on so this poetic tradition 644 00:32:43,220 --> 00:32:38,910 is so strong or was so strong among the 645 00:32:45,919 --> 00:32:43,230 Vikings that in the middle of a battle 646 00:32:47,390 --> 00:32:45,929 for example say a sea battle someone 647 00:32:51,470 --> 00:32:47,400 would stand up in the middle of a boat 648 00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:51,480 and declaim a poem compose a poem on the 649 00:32:57,500 --> 00:32:54,000 spur of the moment with all a correctly 650 00:33:00,770 --> 00:32:57,510 turn correct and iteration and correct 651 00:33:04,730 --> 00:33:00,780 Kenny's and so on well that's quite a 652 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:04,740 quite a feat to be able to do that when 653 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:05,970 you know that you might be dead the next 654 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:10,650 minute right life was cheap in the arm 655 00:33:16,700 --> 00:33:14,850 on the old day hit it seems well because 656 00:33:19,810 --> 00:33:16,710 they just had a different attitude to 657 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:19,820 life and then mm-hmm they were much more 658 00:33:24,830 --> 00:33:23,010 comfortable with the notion of death I 659 00:33:27,220 --> 00:33:24,840 guess I mean the environments harsher 660 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:27,230 you kind of have to be but today we just 661 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:31,410 it's like such a scary out of sight out 662 00:33:35,630 --> 00:33:32,970 of mind kind of thing that no one wants 663 00:33:40,370 --> 00:33:35,640 to deal with yes that's right 664 00:33:42,890 --> 00:33:40,380 yes and I also wanted to get into some 665 00:33:45,770 --> 00:33:42,900 of these rites and rituals of the Nordic 666 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:45,780 pagans or particularly the runes you 667 00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:47,970 write in the book that they have become 668 00:33:51,950 --> 00:33:49,200 a popular mean 669 00:33:54,799 --> 00:33:51,960 divination a method of character 670 00:33:58,159 --> 00:33:54,809 analysis a system of meditation and even 671 00:34:00,649 --> 00:33:58,169 the basis of a kind of physical yoga and 672 00:34:03,649 --> 00:34:00,659 I'm interested in all of that what can 673 00:34:08,089 --> 00:34:03,659 you tell us about the history and the 674 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:08,099 use of the runes well Maroons are a 675 00:34:13,129 --> 00:34:09,690 fascinating subject 676 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:13,139 they appeared around the 1st century AD 677 00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:16,770 and spread very rapidly throughout 678 00:34:22,430 --> 00:34:19,440 northern Europe nobody quite knows where 679 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:22,440 they came from what they were based on 680 00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:24,210 some people think they were based on the 681 00:34:29,349 --> 00:34:26,399 partly on the Phoenician alphabet partly 682 00:34:34,339 --> 00:34:29,359 on the Roman alphabet and partly on and 683 00:34:37,010 --> 00:34:34,349 prehistoric cave markings at any rate 684 00:34:42,109 --> 00:34:37,020 they spread very rapidly and you know 685 00:34:45,319 --> 00:34:42,119 remarkably uniform form there are 686 00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:45,329 basically two main Reena kalfa bets of 687 00:34:49,579 --> 00:34:48,089 truth arts as they've given us an older 688 00:34:52,399 --> 00:34:49,589 proof upon the younger one 689 00:34:56,119 --> 00:34:52,409 the older one consists of 24 letters the 690 00:34:57,980 --> 00:34:56,129 younger ones and some 16 legends and as 691 00:35:02,630 --> 00:34:57,990 you say they're not only an alphabet but 692 00:35:05,780 --> 00:35:02,640 used the divination and magic and the 693 00:35:09,079 --> 00:35:05,790 sagas are full of descriptions of the 694 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:09,089 magical use of the rooms well it was 695 00:35:14,180 --> 00:35:11,010 there's a lot more to the rooms than 696 00:35:20,109 --> 00:35:14,190 meets the eye on a Norwegian friend of 697 00:35:23,300 --> 00:35:20,119 mine halibut hot cloud has run a very 698 00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:23,310 deep mathematical analysis of the rooms 699 00:35:31,099 --> 00:35:27,359 because the rooms basins are composed of 700 00:35:34,339 --> 00:35:31,109 three types of stroke vertical left 701 00:35:37,339 --> 00:35:34,349 leaning and right leaning and some some 702 00:35:40,180 --> 00:35:37,349 of them have two strokes some threes on 703 00:35:42,700 --> 00:35:40,190 Shore moves on five 704 00:35:46,539 --> 00:35:42,710 so what what he did was he created 705 00:35:49,750 --> 00:35:46,549 complex matrixes counting the number of 706 00:35:52,779 --> 00:35:49,760 strokes in each each of the groups of 707 00:35:55,020 --> 00:35:52,789 means it's difficult to explain his 708 00:35:57,870 --> 00:35:55,030 analysis but it was very complicated but 709 00:36:01,779 --> 00:35:57,880 one conclusion he came to was that 710 00:36:06,339 --> 00:36:01,789 there's correspondence between the rooms 711 00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:06,349 and the trigrams of the Chinese bhagwan 712 00:36:13,839 --> 00:36:10,250 system is similar to the e Ching except 713 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:13,849 it has tried once instead of hexagons so 714 00:36:19,240 --> 00:36:16,010 that's fascinating because again it 715 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:19,250 suggests that there might be a common 716 00:36:28,930 --> 00:36:24,890 origin was a common link between the the 717 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:28,940 Bhagwan and the rooms so again this 718 00:36:37,779 --> 00:36:33,170 could be another piece of evidence was 719 00:36:41,049 --> 00:36:37,789 some precursor civilization but one from 720 00:36:43,630 --> 00:36:41,059 which both of these things came yes I am 721 00:36:47,049 --> 00:36:43,640 really intrigued by that idea and the 722 00:36:50,170 --> 00:36:47,059 depth of these systems sometimes like a 723 00:36:52,510 --> 00:36:50,180 thing these these alphabets like the 724 00:36:55,390 --> 00:36:52,520 runic alphabet or even something like 725 00:36:58,569 --> 00:36:55,400 John Dee's Enochian they have this 726 00:37:02,859 --> 00:36:58,579 similar shape of these symbols that 727 00:37:07,089 --> 00:37:02,869 correspond to numbers and a grid type of 728 00:37:10,630 --> 00:37:07,099 layout usually in a circle and it's just 729 00:37:13,569 --> 00:37:10,640 really fascinating and it almost even 730 00:37:16,180 --> 00:37:13,579 seems adjacent to the things you see in 731 00:37:19,180 --> 00:37:16,190 some crop circles it just makes me think 732 00:37:21,730 --> 00:37:19,190 about like this hypothesis of an ancient 733 00:37:24,309 --> 00:37:21,740 advanced civilization that migrated out 734 00:37:25,930 --> 00:37:24,319 and spread their shamanic teachings and 735 00:37:26,890 --> 00:37:25,940 esoteric knowledge around the globe in a 736 00:37:29,589 --> 00:37:26,900 physical sense 737 00:37:31,990 --> 00:37:29,599 I mean it is intriguing we do have 738 00:37:34,930 --> 00:37:32,000 examples like the pyramid structure 739 00:37:37,630 --> 00:37:34,940 which is all over the globe but when we 740 00:37:39,940 --> 00:37:37,640 ask the tribes of the Amazon how they 741 00:37:41,950 --> 00:37:39,950 discovered ayahuasca they say the 742 00:37:44,319 --> 00:37:41,960 spirits told them when we asked the 743 00:37:46,559 --> 00:37:44,329 Dogon how they knew about Sirius a and B 744 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:46,569 they say the spirits told them yes 745 00:37:51,700 --> 00:37:49,010 sometimes I think maybe these traditions 746 00:37:54,130 --> 00:37:51,710 didn't spread by man literally traveling 747 00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:54,140 around the globe but by spirit 748 00:37:58,779 --> 00:37:56,930 seeing these same things themselves two 749 00:38:02,259 --> 00:37:58,789 different pockets of people is that 750 00:38:05,859 --> 00:38:02,269 something you entertained yes or perhaps 751 00:38:09,759 --> 00:38:05,869 by some sort of process of morphic 752 00:38:11,319 --> 00:38:09,769 resonance yeah like the monkeys on one 753 00:38:14,109 --> 00:38:11,329 side outside of the world and learn how 754 00:38:16,089 --> 00:38:14,119 to open a coconut and monkeys on the 755 00:38:18,549 --> 00:38:16,099 other side start doing the same thing 756 00:38:20,319 --> 00:38:18,559 yeah that's an absolutely interesting 757 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:20,329 phenomenon just this idea that once 758 00:38:25,269 --> 00:38:21,890 something is in the collective 759 00:38:28,809 --> 00:38:25,279 unconscious all humans can tap into it 760 00:38:32,349 --> 00:38:28,819 yeah exactly yes this yes I attention 761 00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:32,359 agree with it yeah I think that helps to 762 00:38:36,970 --> 00:38:34,730 explain why we don't maybe have as much 763 00:38:40,569 --> 00:38:36,980 physical evidence for the travel as we 764 00:38:43,690 --> 00:38:40,579 would want yet you can see the the 765 00:38:46,450 --> 00:38:43,700 footprints around and I think maybe when 766 00:38:48,910 --> 00:38:46,460 people have a more esoteric context they 767 00:38:52,839 --> 00:38:48,920 can maybe better understand how these 768 00:38:58,480 --> 00:38:52,849 things could emerge without the physical 769 00:39:00,970 --> 00:38:58,490 component yeah absolutely no yeah it's 770 00:39:03,039 --> 00:39:00,980 interesting because the legend of 771 00:39:05,019 --> 00:39:03,049 Hyperborean x' is usually associated 772 00:39:07,809 --> 00:39:05,029 with tall white sand you can also find 773 00:39:10,660 --> 00:39:07,819 that term and ufology that people have 774 00:39:12,670 --> 00:39:10,670 these encounters with tall white beans 775 00:39:14,609 --> 00:39:12,680 and who knows if there's a connection 776 00:39:20,620 --> 00:39:14,619 but there's definitely a similar shape 777 00:39:26,499 --> 00:39:20,630 yes well of course there's was a legend 778 00:39:30,690 --> 00:39:26,509 among the NIA snakes will be aspects of 779 00:39:34,059 --> 00:39:30,700 the Maya forget which in Latin America 780 00:39:37,450 --> 00:39:34,069 who had this legend that one time they 781 00:39:42,549 --> 00:39:37,460 were visited by gods who were tall 782 00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:42,559 fair-haired blue-eyed men so that could 783 00:39:49,779 --> 00:39:45,609 possibly be another example mm-hmm 784 00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:49,789 absolutely and to return to the runes a 785 00:39:54,700 --> 00:39:52,160 little bit and divination I'm always 786 00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:54,710 interested in how these things can work 787 00:40:00,370 --> 00:39:56,480 I've seen enough examples that I'm 788 00:40:02,859 --> 00:40:00,380 convinced about their validity but how 789 00:40:09,749 --> 00:40:02,869 do you explain the mechanisms behind 790 00:40:13,359 --> 00:40:09,759 their accuracy well my own view is that 791 00:40:16,299 --> 00:40:13,369 the deeper levels of the human mind 792 00:40:20,890 --> 00:40:16,309 human consciousness are connected to the 793 00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:20,900 entire universe but in order to access 794 00:40:30,789 --> 00:40:24,160 that knowledge we have to have some 795 00:40:33,519 --> 00:40:30,799 intermediate tool now some people would 796 00:40:37,269 --> 00:40:33,529 do that through astrology some will do 797 00:40:38,230 --> 00:40:37,279 it by reading tea leaves some will do it 798 00:40:42,990 --> 00:40:38,240 to palmistry 799 00:40:47,130 --> 00:40:43,000 and the rooms are another example 800 00:40:50,170 --> 00:40:47,140 another example of this the rooms are 801 00:40:53,130 --> 00:40:50,180 they're kind of universal the universal 802 00:40:58,779 --> 00:40:53,140 symbols which represent universal 803 00:41:02,049 --> 00:40:58,789 qualities and forces and modalities so 804 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:02,059 what you're doing when you carry out a 805 00:41:07,660 --> 00:41:04,490 runic divination based basically are you 806 00:41:11,410 --> 00:41:07,670 using the runes to tap into those deeper 807 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:11,420 levels of your your mind that's the way 808 00:41:15,279 --> 00:41:12,490 I see it 809 00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:15,289 mm-hmm I agree with you I think that 810 00:41:21,730 --> 00:41:18,160 there's something weird about certain 811 00:41:24,549 --> 00:41:21,740 archetypes having like this eternal 812 00:41:26,529 --> 00:41:24,559 imprint in the human mind somewhere and 813 00:41:28,690 --> 00:41:26,539 yes when you hear these stories about 814 00:41:31,210 --> 00:41:28,700 the runic alphabet 815 00:41:34,599 --> 00:41:31,220 maybe being derived through shamanic 816 00:41:38,190 --> 00:41:34,609 means or even like I mentioned John 817 00:41:41,980 --> 00:41:38,200 Dee's system which was also derived by 818 00:41:45,130 --> 00:41:41,990 contact it almost makes me feel as if 819 00:41:47,529 --> 00:41:45,140 the spirits are like hey look we can 820 00:41:49,420 --> 00:41:47,539 help you but we have to have a language 821 00:41:52,089 --> 00:41:49,430 we can understand so here's a set of 822 00:41:55,599 --> 00:41:52,099 symbols these symbols correspond to 823 00:41:57,339 --> 00:41:55,609 these archetypes and then the more you 824 00:42:00,759 --> 00:41:57,349 play with these things the more we can 825 00:42:02,940 --> 00:42:00,769 communicate through them yes I think 826 00:42:05,980 --> 00:42:02,950 that's a very good way of putting it 827 00:42:07,779 --> 00:42:05,990 it's a far-out idea but I mean we're 828 00:42:14,170 --> 00:42:07,789 seeing several examples that could speak 829 00:42:17,319 --> 00:42:14,180 to that yes yes awesome well hey I 830 00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:17,329 really enjoyed the book you are clearly 831 00:42:21,460 --> 00:42:19,250 very passionate 832 00:42:24,130 --> 00:42:21,470 for the north and I'm glad we got to 833 00:42:26,260 --> 00:42:24,140 learn a little bit more about it before 834 00:42:29,260 --> 00:42:26,270 I cut you loose let the people know 835 00:42:30,970 --> 00:42:29,270 maybe about some of your other books or 836 00:42:35,020 --> 00:42:30,980 your website or anything else you might 837 00:42:41,850 --> 00:42:35,030 be working on in the future yeah okay 838 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:41,860 well my my website is linking minutes I 839 00:43:01,930 --> 00:42:57,700 www.allsubs.org our that's own O's eg 840 00:43:04,270 --> 00:43:01,940 ard and that's my website and there 841 00:43:07,980 --> 00:43:04,280 you'll find a list of my books and a 842 00:43:11,580 --> 00:43:07,990 description of them as I say I've 843 00:43:16,450 --> 00:43:11,590 written them quite a number of books 844 00:43:19,630 --> 00:43:16,460 including as I said the pop-up novel the 845 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:19,640 turn of the tetrad and three volumes of 846 00:43:27,130 --> 00:43:22,490 short stories dealing with esoteric and 847 00:43:29,650 --> 00:43:27,140 pagan themes so I think I think website 848 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:29,660 will give people most of the information 849 00:43:35,260 --> 00:43:32,570 they need very cool and I was curious 850 00:43:37,030 --> 00:43:35,270 why you went with that spelling of 851 00:43:38,290 --> 00:43:37,040 Asgard is that maybe its original 852 00:43:43,630 --> 00:43:38,300 spelling ah 853 00:43:48,130 --> 00:43:43,640 well one of my favorite books and films 854 00:43:49,990 --> 00:43:48,140 is The Wizard of Oz so it refers to us 855 00:43:53,260 --> 00:43:50,000 as in The Wizard of Oz so it's a 856 00:43:56,770 --> 00:43:53,270 combination of Oz as in Wizard of Oz and 857 00:43:59,950 --> 00:43:56,780 God as in Asgard in fact one of my 858 00:44:04,680 --> 00:43:59,960 stories in collection of stories I wrote 859 00:44:08,410 --> 00:44:04,690 called the source sorceress of a garden 860 00:44:12,549 --> 00:44:08,420 deals with the theme of The Wizard of Oz 861 00:44:18,569 --> 00:44:12,559 and it sort of puts forward a sort of 862 00:44:21,489 --> 00:44:18,579 unusual angle on the story very cool 863 00:44:25,690 --> 00:44:21,499 awesome well Christopher it's been a 864 00:44:27,759 --> 00:44:25,700 blast the search for the Hyperborean 865 00:44:30,099 --> 00:44:27,769 continues I guess yes 866 00:44:32,710 --> 00:44:30,109 thanks again it was a great time do take 867 00:44:37,029 --> 00:44:32,720 care out there what are you talking to 868 00:44:39,849 --> 00:44:37,039 you great a beacon of light from the 869 00:44:42,430 --> 00:44:39,859 north people how we doing out there mr. 870 00:44:45,609 --> 00:44:42,440 Mackintosh dropping knowledge on the 871 00:44:48,039 --> 00:44:45,619 mystic north this is one where I took a 872 00:44:49,479 --> 00:44:48,049 bit of a chance because I saw his book I 873 00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:49,489 was getting into it I liked what it was 874 00:44:54,099 --> 00:44:52,130 about but I'd never heard previous 875 00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:54,109 interviews with Chris never stopped me 876 00:44:58,420 --> 00:44:56,210 before and you just never know how 877 00:45:00,220 --> 00:44:58,430 that's gonna go and I think he's a great 878 00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:00,230 writer and very knowledgeable about 879 00:45:05,410 --> 00:45:02,089 these subjects that he's got a passion 880 00:45:07,779 --> 00:45:05,420 for but maybe isn't as used to speaking 881 00:45:09,999 --> 00:45:07,789 about these things at the sort of great 882 00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:10,009 length we typically do around here but 883 00:45:14,799 --> 00:45:12,650 that's alright as much as we'd like to 884 00:45:18,249 --> 00:45:14,809 talk about mystic lands and hidden 885 00:45:20,170 --> 00:45:18,259 worlds hyperborea isn't one that we've 886 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:20,180 really assumed it on all that thoroughly 887 00:45:25,900 --> 00:45:22,970 so I think anyone could understand what 888 00:45:28,390 --> 00:45:25,910 I was going for today between Hyperborea 889 00:45:30,339 --> 00:45:28,400 and of course runic magic another topic 890 00:45:33,370 --> 00:45:30,349 that hasn't gotten a lot of time in the 891 00:45:36,190 --> 00:45:33,380 spotlight either and I actually held 892 00:45:38,769 --> 00:45:36,200 onto this one for a little while almost 893 00:45:41,410 --> 00:45:38,779 too long but it did come in a little 894 00:45:44,380 --> 00:45:41,420 short especially after editing because I 895 00:45:46,930 --> 00:45:44,390 tried to shorten up some of the longer 896 00:45:49,329 --> 00:45:46,940 pauses and I was gonna add up over two 897 00:45:53,799 --> 00:45:49,339 hours but I wanted to sort of sandwich 898 00:45:55,479 --> 00:45:53,809 it between two longer shows I did learn 899 00:45:57,970 --> 00:45:55,489 some things though I hope you did too a 900 00:45:59,920 --> 00:45:57,980 big takeaway for me was closer to the 901 00:46:04,210 --> 00:45:59,930 beginning with the expedition of 902 00:46:06,940 --> 00:46:04,220 Alexander Marchenko who thought he knew 903 00:46:09,370 --> 00:46:06,950 where Hyperborea would be started 904 00:46:10,390 --> 00:46:09,380 digging and found an ancient road and 905 00:46:13,029 --> 00:46:10,400 pyramids 906 00:46:15,370 --> 00:46:13,039 that's pretty damn interesting I would 907 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:15,380 love to know more about why he thought 908 00:46:20,620 --> 00:46:17,930 he'd find something there practical 909 00:46:22,210 --> 00:46:20,630 reasons or maybe something more of the 910 00:46:25,060 --> 00:46:22,220 Close Encounters be 911 00:46:27,070 --> 00:46:25,070 the brain sort of inspiration but I do 912 00:46:30,940 --> 00:46:27,080 love that phrase here be dragons though 913 00:46:32,980 --> 00:46:30,950 I think that parts only in the plush 914 00:46:35,740 --> 00:46:32,990 show but the first time I heard that was 915 00:46:38,710 --> 00:46:35,750 on the Fargo TV show one of the best 916 00:46:40,990 --> 00:46:38,720 shows going right now if you ask me but 917 00:46:43,150 --> 00:46:41,000 they crafted these amazing villains and 918 00:46:45,460 --> 00:46:43,160 the whole Fargo theme is that people in 919 00:46:47,950 --> 00:46:45,470 a quaint quiet town are not equipped to 920 00:46:50,890 --> 00:46:47,960 deal with real cutthroat criminals true 921 00:46:53,110 --> 00:46:50,900 evil that was the theme of the movie and 922 00:46:55,780 --> 00:46:53,120 it's carried through each completely 923 00:46:58,510 --> 00:46:55,790 unique season of the show but the first 924 00:47:01,030 --> 00:46:58,520 season the villain is Billy Bob Thornton 925 00:47:03,580 --> 00:47:01,040 and he gets pulled over by a naive 926 00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:03,590 police officer who wants his license and 927 00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:06,560 registration and Billy Bob has this cold 928 00:47:14,970 --> 00:47:10,640 as ice' monologue about well let me just 929 00:47:19,330 --> 00:47:14,980 play it license and registration please 930 00:47:22,180 --> 00:47:19,340 we could do it that way you asked me for 931 00:47:24,670 --> 00:47:22,190 my papers telling us not my car that I 932 00:47:26,780 --> 00:47:24,680 borrowed it see where things go from 933 00:47:29,050 --> 00:47:26,790 there 934 00:47:30,820 --> 00:47:29,060 you'd do that 935 00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:30,830 or you could go get in your car and 936 00:47:40,250 --> 00:47:35,890 drive away now why would I do that 937 00:47:42,349 --> 00:47:40,260 because some road you shouldn't go down 938 00:47:46,980 --> 00:47:42,359 because maps used to say there be 939 00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:48,930 but that don't mean the Dragons aren't 940 00:48:04,160 --> 00:47:59,120 you step out of the car please sir how 941 00:48:11,050 --> 00:48:04,170 old's your kid I said step out of the 942 00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:13,839 officer Brimley 943 00:48:19,089 --> 00:48:16,729 I'm going to roll my window up then I'm 944 00:48:20,170 --> 00:48:19,099 gonna drive away and you're gonna go 945 00:48:21,999 --> 00:48:20,180 home to your daughter 946 00:48:24,039 --> 00:48:22,009 and every few years you're gonna look at 947 00:48:25,749 --> 00:48:24,049 her face and know that you're alive 948 00:48:29,049 --> 00:48:25,759 because you chose not to go down a 949 00:48:30,999 --> 00:48:29,059 certain Road on a certain night then you 950 00:48:36,089 --> 00:48:31,009 chose to walk into the light instead of 951 00:48:46,269 --> 00:48:44,289 understand great show great scene solid 952 00:48:49,180 --> 00:48:46,279 phrase I'd love to throw in little clips 953 00:48:51,069 --> 00:48:49,190 once in a while in these wrap ups 954 00:48:54,009 --> 00:48:51,079 but in terms of this subject matter I 955 00:48:56,289 --> 00:48:54,019 guess one could consider it a cop-out to 956 00:48:59,859 --> 00:48:56,299 not want to talk about the dark roads of 957 00:49:01,870 --> 00:48:59,869 northern philosophy it's also fair to 958 00:49:03,819 --> 00:49:01,880 say that there are extremists and 959 00:49:06,609 --> 00:49:03,829 negative interpretations of nearly 960 00:49:08,769 --> 00:49:06,619 everything and Christopher seems like a 961 00:49:11,230 --> 00:49:08,779 genuine and kind person who isn't trying 962 00:49:14,519 --> 00:49:11,240 to lead anyone astray he just has a 963 00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:14,529 curiosity and love for his own culture 964 00:49:19,620 --> 00:49:17,650 even if it has had some uncomfortable 965 00:49:21,940 --> 00:49:19,630 manifestations in our history 966 00:49:24,190 --> 00:49:21,950 hey I certainly don't want to vouch for 967 00:49:25,839 --> 00:49:24,200 or have to explain away a lot of 968 00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:25,849 elements of my wholesome family 969 00:49:31,809 --> 00:49:28,730 conspiracy culture I love so much so to 970 00:49:34,660 --> 00:49:31,819 each their own and I'm also very into 971 00:49:37,150 --> 00:49:34,670 the archetype and shamanic themes that 972 00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:37,160 came up and I absolutely had a great 973 00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:40,130 time with his book because this show 974 00:49:44,349 --> 00:49:42,890 came in maybe 20 minutes short I just 975 00:49:47,230 --> 00:49:44,359 kind of split the difference with the 976 00:49:50,049 --> 00:49:47,240 free end plus versions but in the second 977 00:49:52,620 --> 00:49:50,059 half today we added some logs to the 978 00:49:56,529 --> 00:49:52,630 higher side fire and we talked about 979 00:49:59,009 --> 00:49:56,539 legends of fabled lands in Russia why 980 00:50:01,990 --> 00:49:59,019 the history of the North is so often 981 00:50:05,049 --> 00:50:02,000 twisted and omitted from our general 982 00:50:06,999 --> 00:50:05,059 history how Icelanders kept their 983 00:50:10,150 --> 00:50:07,009 esoteric beliefs in the face of the 984 00:50:12,430 --> 00:50:10,160 Christian steamroll egregores Icelandic 985 00:50:15,519 --> 00:50:12,440 fairies Christopher's thoughts on the 986 00:50:19,720 --> 00:50:15,529 Box saga Inner Earth lore Ferdinand 987 00:50:22,089 --> 00:50:19,730 Austin dusky astrology filtering energy 988 00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:22,099 from the pole star to the pineal gland 989 00:50:27,789 --> 00:50:25,130 and Christopher's Rosicrucian book and 990 00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:27,799 research good times 991 00:50:31,660 --> 00:50:30,650 in fact Chris kind of got on a roll 992 00:50:34,029 --> 00:50:31,670 there when we were talking about 993 00:50:36,039 --> 00:50:34,039 astrology citing evidence that could 994 00:50:38,170 --> 00:50:36,049 support the idea that energies can 995 00:50:40,839 --> 00:50:38,180 filter from the stars right on through 996 00:50:43,509 --> 00:50:40,849 our bodies or to the pineal gland in the 997 00:50:45,999 --> 00:50:43,519 case of the North Star kind of jives 998 00:50:48,450 --> 00:50:46,009 with what eric Dollard was saying about 999 00:50:52,510 --> 00:50:48,460 trying to get a good weld under certain 1000 00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:52,520 astrological conditions I think we 1001 00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:55,040 kind of compartmentalize astrology - how 1002 00:51:00,280 --> 00:50:56,930 does it affect me how does it affect 1003 00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:00,290 people and I think this star and planet 1004 00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:02,800 energy affects a lot of stuff probably 1005 00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:05,090 things that we don't even notice most 1006 00:51:11,290 --> 00:51:08,210 times and sometimes it is just funny how 1007 00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:11,300 one idea will sound too far out for a 1008 00:51:15,460 --> 00:51:13,490 person and then another idea that I 1009 00:51:18,550 --> 00:51:15,470 think is even wilder on the scale of 1010 00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:18,560 ideas seems like an easier pill to 1011 00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:21,410 swallow I guess I'm just the kind of guy 1012 00:51:26,620 --> 00:51:23,690 that swallowing all kinds of pills with 1013 00:51:29,859 --> 00:51:26,630 far less discretion but hey some people 1014 00:51:32,380 --> 00:51:29,869 just call that a good weekend it's also 1015 00:51:35,050 --> 00:51:32,390 interesting that Chris's friend Hilmar 1016 00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:35,060 Oren he'll Marcin who is heading this 1017 00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:37,760 Icelandic paganism revival and also 1018 00:51:43,660 --> 00:51:40,250 wrote the forward to the book says he 1019 00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:43,670 met Odin in the woods one day and that 1020 00:51:48,580 --> 00:51:45,650 seems like an intense experience for 1021 00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:48,590 sure but also the argument that the 1022 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:51,440 Trojan horse was a ship rather than a 1023 00:51:58,080 --> 00:51:53,930 strange wooden horse model that soldiers 1024 00:51:59,940 --> 00:51:58,090 hid inside of that makes more sense to 1025 00:52:01,860 --> 00:51:59,950 so I don't know sorry it's a bit short I 1026 00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:01,870 exhausted my questions earlier than 1027 00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:03,370 expected even though I like to come to 1028 00:52:08,970 --> 00:52:05,890 these things quite prepared 1029 00:52:11,790 --> 00:52:08,980 thought it was pretty interesting I like 1030 00:52:13,980 --> 00:52:11,800 trying to re-examine pockets of history 1031 00:52:16,590 --> 00:52:13,990 and culture with a magical context 1032 00:52:19,350 --> 00:52:16,600 folded back in obviously that's a big 1033 00:52:22,410 --> 00:52:19,360 blind spot left out of our education in 1034 00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:22,420 most cases so I'm still figuring out how 1035 00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:24,450 to do those kind of shows best I think 1036 00:52:31,110 --> 00:52:29,050 but an attempt was made but big thanks 1037 00:52:33,570 --> 00:52:31,120 again to Christopher Mackintosh for his 1038 00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:33,580 time and his work he certainly knows a 1039 00:52:38,070 --> 00:52:36,400 lot about a lot and has a scholarly 1040 00:52:40,350 --> 00:52:38,080 approach to these subjects and there's 1041 00:52:42,930 --> 00:52:40,360 certainly a need for more of that in the 1042 00:52:46,890 --> 00:52:42,940 world but that's going to be it for me 1043 00:52:49,350 --> 00:52:46,900 today joint session tonight 7:00 p.m. it 1044 00:52:52,260 --> 00:52:49,360 is the 25th of the month I think YouTube 1045 00:52:54,150 --> 00:52:52,270 is gonna screw us again so please think 1046 00:52:56,100 --> 00:52:54,160 about showing up you can click that link 1047 00:52:58,850 --> 00:52:56,110 on the front page of the higher side 1048 00:53:01,320 --> 00:52:58,860 chats com it'll take you right there I 1049 00:53:03,870 --> 00:53:01,330 got one more show for the month coming 1050 00:53:06,780 --> 00:53:03,880 at you a month where we've had 1051 00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:06,790 Eileen day mckusick david icke eric 1052 00:53:11,310 --> 00:53:09,130 Dollard and now kris.mackintosh with 1053 00:53:13,950 --> 00:53:11,320 beyond the north wind and the next show 1054 00:53:17,010 --> 00:53:13,960 I know you're going to enjoy as well so 1055 00:53:19,710 --> 00:53:17,020 stay awake be ready you do not know the 1056 00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:19,720 hour when the higher side is coming and 1057 00:53:26,670 --> 00:53:21,970 I'll see you then your move history 1058 00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:30,320 you're 1059 00:53:36,630 --> 00:53:33,750 lucid dreams are so vivid cuz you go to 1060 00:53:39,330 --> 00:53:36,640 bed at 7:00 and your brain comes alive 1061 00:53:41,970 --> 00:53:39,340 cuz your H and nine-to-five you wake up 1062 00:53:44,460 --> 00:53:41,980 with a dread and make sure your cats are 1063 00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:44,470 fed did your brain talk to a ghost who 1064 00:53:50,849 --> 00:53:46,810 moved your coffee and toast as you 1065 00:53:53,490 --> 00:53:50,859 listen to the higher side chats you get 1066 00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:53,500 to your desk and your boss says it's a 1067 00:53:58,590 --> 00:53:56,170 mess and your soul slowly goes to a 1068 00:54:02,750 --> 00:53:58,600 place where nothing grows when you think 1069 00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:02,760 he's not around you insert a SETI sound 1070 00:54:10,620 --> 00:54:06,130 the eom says turn it down and you say 1071 00:54:13,590 --> 00:54:10,630 it's just the higher side chats oh do 1072 00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:13,600 you think you be invited to Bohemian 1073 00:54:22,109 --> 00:54:18,490 Grove to a Bilderberg Club oh do you 1074 00:54:25,930 --> 00:54:22,119 think you'd be invited by Rasta to a 1075 00:54:27,870 --> 00:54:25,940 party on a submarine 1076 00:54:30,340 --> 00:54:27,880 [Music] 1077 00:54:33,430 --> 00:54:30,350 to the center of the 1078 00:54:37,630 --> 00:54:33,440 to the Marianas Trench your teeth begin 1079 00:54:41,890 --> 00:54:37,640 to clench from the sulphureus stench the 1080 00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:41,900 mask you give in doesn't fit cuz you're 1081 00:54:51,420 --> 00:54:48,840 starting today you'll make plans to get 1082 00:54:54,210 --> 00:54:51,430 away there's no one to hold you down and 1083 00:54:57,060 --> 00:54:54,220 the what if start to drown then you wake 1084 00:54:59,910 --> 00:54:57,070 to the glare of a co fluorescent stare 1085 00:55:02,280 --> 00:54:59,920 and the light winks at you cuz its life 1086 00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:02,290 is almost through but it's holding gone 1087 00:55:08,430 --> 00:55:06,130 to quit time just like you it's time for